I drilled my Dare Devil up with a 65* x 5 x 35* layout. I intend to add a motion hole once I have some time to throw the ball exclusively to mark it out. I left it in box condition. The Dare Devil is something that Roto Grip has needed for awhile, a low RG pearl. I can use my Dare Devil on most house shots even to start out. I did have to lightly touch the surface with a 3000 pad to smooth out some of the over/under I was getting with factory shine. Drill one of these up to get you that medium condition rolly pearl ball in your arsenal.